You may be overcome by it; it falls upon you. Every light, every fire, comes to an end, and there would be utter darkness, but there is still left the light of the self, which is the supreme light. So the self is not only an unconscious fact, but also a conscious fact: the ego is the visibility of the self. The self would be the preceding stage, a being that is more than man and that definitely manifests; that is the thinker of our thoughts, the doer of our deeds, the maker of our lives, yet it is still within the reach of human experience. I would not do that.

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Shelves: philosophy , myth-religion , psychoanalysis , favorites A night of excessive consciousness, due to caffein overdose during the day, would be idealistic for writing down this review. First of all, a few objective remarks. This is not an interpretation of Zarathustra from a philosophical point of view. Although Jung made some fascinating clarifications and some crucial criticisms towards Nietzsche, the ever-morphing system of Nietzsches ideas is almost never taken into account, let alone the readings that he preferred except one, in the chapter of A night of excessive consciousness, due to caffein overdose during the day, would be idealistic for writing down this review.

I would not recommend this book to a fundamentalist of Nietzsche, but to anyone who would enjoy the tangling battle between two great minds. A third thing, and this is getting personal, is that, Jung had missed out the ancient Greek aspect of Nietzsche. Jung is way too Christian in too many paragraphs. It surprised me, throughout the whole book, that Plato was mentioned so scarcely.

For any serious person attempting to decipher Zarathustra, I would recommend Jung and Lampert for a balanced diet. Now comes to the commentary on Jung and the content of the book. If I have to choose only one word for commenting on this book, it would be "beautiful". There are paragraphs everywhere illustrating a new point of view on old facts, shedding new light into what was once thought ordinary.

Nietzsche inflamed me with worship of the sublime; a sincere worship which is at times blind and arrogant. Jung pointed to the defect of such worship. For this I am eternally grateful. Throughout the book, Jung made clear distinction between Nietzsche the person and his greatness. Time and time again, he talked about how Nietzsche should not claim to be the maker of the figure Zarathustra. It is bewildering at first to read his comment on this matter.

Why, one would ask, should I see myself not as a hell of a fellow when I produced something marvelous? Later on I was reading John Cassian: The Institutes , and this question popped out surprisingly again in the chapter of Pride. I would imagine Jung nodding his head on this chapter, and says, in a more vivid way, that Nietzsche is possessed by the demon called Pride. In some sense, Jung and Cassian are all very true and sharp. He would never have hoped for something loathing as Nazi, but look at what they made out of him!

It would be a sheer arrogance if one should think one could exert influence on others, on the masses and charm them in the exact way one wished.

That being said, you could never hope to control your fate totally by your consciousness plots; you could do so in some limited extend. But here is the twilight zone. Sometimes Jung overlooked that and painted everything with the all-mighty collective unconsciousness.

It would be a profound truth that such thing should exist; but such truth should stand the harshest attack in order to acquire its profoundness. Jung fell short on this. An illustrating example would be his interpretation on the spider chapter. I really hoped to have a chance to challenge him with the following interpretation: Nietzsche borrowed this image from Dostoevsky in his Crime and Punishment, where eternal life is described as a room full of spiders.

Dostoevsky, on the other hand, made use of tarantula spider because he once had a very frightening episode with it during his stay in Italy. There is no latent femininity at work at all, they are just making very hidden references.

Moreover, when Nietzsche talked about loving the farthest man, he is deliberately challenging Dostoevsky, who claimed that we should love the nearest man instead of the farthest. The dead is dead. In the case of Nietzsche, all is obscure, as Jung plainly admitted.

Jung definitely felt the threat of such obscurity, which could rival or even overwhelm his clarity, as the Will to Power has shown. Sometimes I had the feeling that Jung is not the best person to interpret Zarathustra, because his constant urge of making a cosmos out of chaos is doing harm to the harmonic chaos that is Nietzsche.

Jung is too normed; he must make rules and hoped to keep them long-lasting as one can see from his Red Book. In my opinion, a better interpreter would be Freud. So much for what has come to my mind. The caffein has worn out.

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Ritske Rensma Introduction Jung was fascinated by Nietzsche. That is a supra-personal task, which I accompany only by effort and with difficulty. Perhaps it is a question which preoccupied my ancestors, and which they could not answer? Could that be why I am so impressed by the problem on which Nietzsche foundered: the Dionysian side of life, to which the Christian seems to have lost the way? Jung, [], p. It should come as no surprise, then, that a substantial amount of academic research has already been dedicated to it. Untangling the exact influence of Nietzsche on Jung, however, is a complicated business.


Carl Jung “Zarathustra Seminar” – Quotations

Migul Jung, was a Swiss psychiatrist and psychotherapist who founded analytical psychology. Article PDF first page preview. Carl Gustav No trivia or quizzes yet. Myles Mohler rated it it was amazing Oct 03, Jung fell short on this.


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